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Deer hunting with dogs - 9/22/2009 5:42:44 PM
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Just read an article in North American Whitetail about deer hunting with dogs. Nine SE states allow it in one form or another. Apparently it is a long standing tradition and I'm not about to tell them how to do things since I did not grow up with it. It seems that most of the backlash has to do with trespassing and still/stand hunters seem not to be too fond of it for obvious reasons. I know that I would not want dogs running through my land. What do you think?
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 9/22/2009 6:46:43 PM
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1st thank you for not immediately condemning it. I grew up hunting with hounds in Louisiana and am a 4th generation hounds man so its a subject near and dear to me. I have not seen the article but will go buy the mag now for that article. I do agree trespassing is a major problem if you do not have enough ground to do it on for the type dog used. Flip side of that coin is trespassing seems to be a problem in a lot of places ---with or with out hounds. There are a few more states out there that allow it and as with most things the major negatives you hear are from the bad cases like with a lot of hunting. I do agree with you that i would not want a bunch of yay hoos running through my land and would go so far as to say I would put a stop to such foolishness. All in all though hunting with hounds is probably one of the oldest forms of hunting besides the spot and stalk, I like it & a lot of others like it. Lots of folks don't though and thats ok with me. Thank you again for not knocking it and you may want to do a search on this line here on the forum....it was a major topic here last fall.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 9/22/2009 8:21:18 PM
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Being a northerner I've never done it either, but if the opportunity came and the area was large enough so that we'd stay on our ground (I'd be the last person to want to ruin another man's hunt), I'd jump right on it. I've hunted just about everything else with dogs, why not deer?
The sound of beagles running a rabbit was music to my ears as a youth. I can imagine how neat that'd be if it were a deer!
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 9/22/2009 9:36:40 PM
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There's a right way and a wrong way to do it. I've heard of the right way, but I've never seen it happen. In our "neck of the woods" it pretty much goes like this.....Five or six trucks with dog boxes and trackers fly up and down the road trying to find where the dogs are pushing the deer out. When they get close they slide to a stop, jump out with shotguns and shoot the crap out of whatever runs out. Sometimes, they'll do it right in front of a house or fire right into someone else's hunting area...doesn't matter as long as it's in front of their dogs, they act as if they have a right to shoot at it no matter where or when.
From what I understand, and I do have to believe, this is the wrong way to dog hunt. Done right, I don't think I'd mind it. But, done wrong it's a hassle and irritation that ruins everyone else's hunting experience. There's nothing like sitting in a stand from 5am to 1pm with a bow only to have dogs chase deer right past your stand and three or four pick-ups sliding up to shoot at them. It suddenly goes from a peaceful hunt to having to yell and threaten to call the game warden just to make sure you don't get caught in their crossfire.
I'm sure someone here will be willing to explain the right way and I'm sure it'll involve standers and dogs pushing deer out. But, that's not the way it's done on the land around my house and hunting area.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 9/22/2009 11:27:38 PM
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Living in Ohio I have never been involved with dog hunting, but I think done the right way it could be fun. I think the key is to have enough land to hunt with your dogs so as not to interfere with everyone else trying to hunt. You have to respect private property.
I can see, though, that a few bad apples could really be a bad situation to get caught up in.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 9/23/2009 12:53:14 AM
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Dogs do not respect property lines or the rights of others. I've known some who enjoy this, but it is not something that I would do or enjoy.
To each his own, as long as it doesn't effect me or someone else.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 1:40:34 PM
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I love to hunt period. Deer, rabbit, turkey, dove, duck, hog, and etc etc etc. I think every person should be able to hunt the way they want if they are following state laws. I live in Alabama and have been dog hunting with my dad since I was 3. I am 25 now. Beezer you are correct, there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. I have 5 1/2 beagle 1/2 walker deer dogs and 6 beagles I run rabbit with. They are my pride and joy. I am in a hunting club that has 7000 acres and change. We have stalk hunting clubs around us and a couple of dog hunting clubs. Our club has very strict rules and will kicked someone out as quick as they vote them in if they break a club rule which for the most part is state laws. We don't hunt from a vehicle. We have enough land that we don't have to fly down public roads because most of the time the dogs cross a road they are still on our clubs leased land or another dog clubs land. On one side of our property there is a still hunting club. I would say out of 75 days we can dog hunt here maybe 5 times a year our dogs get on there property. The first year those guys leased that land we thought they would be trouble. We have not heard from them since. They would hear dogs from a distance and just thought we were trouble. Usually if the deer goes that way its a buck, and we do everything we can do to keep the dogs from going over there. For example, the 320 acre block that meets up with them, our club rule is that land is still hunt only. We turn no dogs out over there. Usually once or twice during the year if the weather is not warm some of those guys will ask us to make a drive toward them. Every weekend we usually have 20-25 people. All of our land has loggin roads in the blocks and all our roads are gated. We turn 2 -3 packs of dogs out at a time. Whoever is not turning out take a stand for that drive and gets on the outer perimeter of the block. Usually by walking a fire break or standing on a logging road. It is a club rule for every hunter to carry a dog leash. We have cb radios in the truck and 90 percent of us have 2 way radios when we are in the woods. If the dogs get out of the block we are running we communicate which way there are going so we can cut them off before they leave the property. Alabama state law only allows you 3 bucks per year and as many does as you want. Our club only allows us to shoot 3 does though. So sometimes if nothing but doe's come out of the block we just ran. We will catch the dogs up and turn right back out in the same block in a different place and try to get a buck up. I kill most of my deer when I turn my dogs out. Even though the deer is running, it will smell someone and turn, or just run around in circles in front of the dogs if its not getting pushed to hard and come right back to me. There is nothing like seeing a good buck killed in front of your dogs and its even better if I kill a good buck in front of my own dogs. I like to think we do things right. Our county game warden even guest hunts with us a couple times a year. Now for the wrong way. There was a club a couple years ago that had 800 acres that met up with our land. They did everything from trespassing to shoot deer in the highway. We eventually leased the land out from under them, but they gave us a lot of trouble and the still hunters around us. They were making us look bad. They would turn there dogs out on our land and run the deer towards them a lot of times. Most of the times there dogs stayed on our land. Our land gets pressured enough from us hunting it, so they were screwing up our hunting on one side of our property. A lot of people say its inhumane to hunt deer with dogs. I never hear those people talk about a setter pointing birds out for a bird hunter? Is that not really the same thing? A lot of people all across the country hunt rabbits with beagles. Is that not the same thing? Me personally I don't think it is inhumane. We hardly ever lose a wounded deer. How many of yall have watched the hunting shows on tv and saw them have a hound as a tracking dog? Some of you may have one of your own. Some of my buddies rag me about the way I hunt, but every year I get a call during Archery season to bring a dog to track a deer for one of them. I never hear anybody saying its inhumane out in Texas to hunt in a high fence with hundreds of pounds of corn piled up waiting for a deer to come eat and they shoot it. Everybody has there own opinion and I respect that. I have spent hours and hours training my dogs. Whether I kill a deer or not, those dogs are my trophies. Sorry about the reply being so long. I just love the outdoors and love to hunt. Bowseason comes in, in two days. I gotta go get ready!
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 2:10:01 PM
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I have never hunted deer with dogs, but I have hunted bears, coons, and ducks. I had a great time and would jump at the opportunity to hunt deer with dogs. Most of the people that I have personally talked with that have a problem with hound hunting haven't done it. Its easy to picture a pack of blood thirsty hounds ripping yogi or bamby apart. But people tend to forget that the animals we hunt have been prey all their lives and are a lot better at getting away that we give them credit for. I've been on plenty of hunts with hounds and come up empty handed. I do agree that we can give ourselves a bad rap but that is like all kinds of hunting.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 2:21:54 PM
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The day someone can figure out a way to hunt with dogs without letting them run on someone elses property is the day I'll support it.
Until then, I see it as nothing better than trespassing and pretty much indicates a lack of respect for me and my property when people let their dogs run on it.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 2:44:28 PM
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Well said ranwin33 . I'll second that
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 2:56:00 PM
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I agree private property needs to be taken into foremost consideration, while running hounds we haven't done any trespassing. Its also been said that "We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity..."
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 4:27:21 PM
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Most of the people that I have personally talked with that have a problem with hound hunting haven't done it. Its easy to picture a pack of blood thirsty hounds ripping yogi or bamby apart. But people tend to forget that the animals we hunt have been prey all their lives and are a lot better at getting away that we give them credit for. I've been on plenty of hunts with hounds and come up empty handed. I do agree that we can give ourselves a bad rap but that is like all kinds of hunting.
Chase them with monkeys if you want to, the dogs are a nuisance, but that isn't the issue I have with it. JSides10 knows what I'm talking about. The "right" way is to have handlers drop the dogs off and the dogs flush the deer to standers. That's what one or two that I know have told me is the proper way to dog hunt, which is the way it has to be done on WMAs. Around here, it's three or four trucks dropping dogs on road A, then flying as fast as they can to road B while tracking the dog's collars and barking. There are no standers, period. When they get to the point where the dogs may come out, they jump out with shotguns and get ready. If the dogs change directions, they all hop back in and haul off as fast as possible the other direction. Some, especially another group near us, believe that it doesn't matter WHERE the dogs come out, as long as it's their dog they are entitled to shoot whatever is in front of it.
Now, put yourself sitting in a blind 30yds off a dirtroad on YOUR property while three trucks slide up and five or six people jump out with guns....feels safe doesn't it?? Especially when you either have to yell, at which point they take off before you can identify them OR take your chances sneaking through the woods to identify them..and they shoot at movement, not at animals. We've even come home from somewhere to trucks parked in our driveway with guys standing beside them ready to shoot. Add to this, when you catch them they take off and leave the dogs. If they come back for the dogs, which of course are not collared, you can call DNR on them. So, they just leave the dogs running around the woods all night..which has now ruined the entire hunting area.
Summary, trucks going 55mph on single lane dirt roads. Shooting at movement onto property that they have no permission to shoot onto to begin with. Shooting within 300yds of residences without permission of the occupant..illegal here. Trespassing on property to recover animals they aren't allowed to. Uncollared dogs running loose.....makes hunting season a blast. And one would wonder why you barely see any deer with all of this going on EVERY weekend and holiday that falls on a weekday. We see it four or five days in a row around Thanksgiving and Christmas.
As I said, if it's done RIGHT.....
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 4:41:13 PM
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Can't use them in NH for deer. The only time a dog can be used is in the tracking of a wounded deer.
Never having done it, I have no opinion. If it's legal where you hunt, and it's a part of your culture, more power to you. I won't engage in negative discussions on a subject I'm clueless about.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 4:51:29 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: JSides10
I love to hunt period. Deer, rabbit, turkey, dove, duck, hog, and etc etc etc. I think every person should be able to hunt the way they want if they are following state laws. I live in Alabama and have been dog hunting with my dad since I was 3. I am 25 now. Beezer you are correct, there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything. I have 5 1/2 beagle 1/2 walker deer dogs and 6 beagles I run rabbit with. They are my pride and joy. I am in a hunting club that has 7000 acres and change. We have stalk hunting clubs around us and a couple of dog hunting clubs. Our club has very strict rules and will kicked someone out as quick as they vote them in if they break a club rule which for the most part is state laws. We don't hunt from a vehicle. We have enough land that we don't have to fly down public roads because most of the time the dogs cross a road they are still on our clubs leased land or another dog clubs land. On one side of our property there is a still hunting club. I would say out of 75 days we can dog hunt here maybe 5 times a year our dogs get on there property. The first year those guys leased that land we thought they would be trouble. We have not heard from them since. They would hear dogs from a distance and just thought we were trouble. Usually if the deer goes that way its a buck, and we do everything we can do to keep the dogs from going over there. For example, the 320 acre block that meets up with them, our club rule is that land is still hunt only. We turn no dogs out over there. Usually once or twice during the year if the weather is not warm some of those guys will ask us to make a drive toward them. Every weekend we usually have 20-25 people. All of our land has loggin roads in the blocks and all our roads are gated. We turn 2 -3 packs of dogs out at a time. Whoever is not turning out take a stand for that drive and gets on the outer perimeter of the block. Usually by walking a fire break or standing on a logging road. It is a club rule for every hunter to carry a dog leash. We have cb radios in the truck and 90 percent of us have 2 way radios when we are in the woods. If the dogs get out of the block we are running we communicate which way there are going so we can cut them off before they leave the property. Alabama state law only allows you 3 bucks per year and as many does as you want. Our club only allows us to shoot 3 does though. So sometimes if nothing but doe's come out of the block we just ran. We will catch the dogs up and turn right back out in the same block in a different place and try to get a buck up. I kill most of my deer when I turn my dogs out. Even though the deer is running, it will smell someone and turn, or just run around in circles in front of the dogs if its not getting pushed to hard and come right back to me. There is nothing like seeing a good buck killed in front of your dogs and its even better if I kill a good buck in front of my own dogs. I like to think we do things right. Our county game warden even guest hunts with us a couple times a year. Now for the wrong way. There was a club a couple years ago that had 800 acres that met up with our land. They did everything from trespassing to shoot deer in the highway. We eventually leased the land out from under them, but they gave us a lot of trouble and the still hunters around us. They were making us look bad. They would turn there dogs out on our land and run the deer towards them a lot of times. Most of the times there dogs stayed on our land. Our land gets pressured enough from us hunting it, so they were screwing up our hunting on one side of our property. A lot of people say its inhumane to hunt deer with dogs. I never hear those people talk about a setter pointing birds out for a bird hunter? Is that not really the same thing? A lot of people all across the country hunt rabbits with beagles. Is that not the same thing? Me personally I don't think it is inhumane. We hardly ever lose a wounded deer. How many of yall have watched the hunting shows on tv and saw them have a hound as a tracking dog? Some of you may have one of your own. Some of my buddies rag me about the way I hunt, but every year I get a call during Archery season to bring a dog to track a deer for one of them. I never hear anybody saying its inhumane out in Texas to hunt in a high fence with hundreds of pounds of corn piled up waiting for a deer to come eat and they shoot it. Everybody has there own opinion and I respect that. I have spent hours and hours training my dogs. Whether I kill a deer or not, those dogs are my trophies. Sorry about the reply being so long. I just love the outdoors and love to hunt. Bowseason comes in, in two days. I gotta go get ready!
Jsides10,
Thank you for showing the right way to use dogs for deer. Never having done it, it sounds exciting!
Mike
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 5:12:45 PM
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Beezer, if something around my hunting club was happening like is happening to you I would be pissed off too. Once again you have one group doing things the wrong way making the people who do things the right way look bad to. I don't care how they are hunting, what is happening in your area is wrong. We have problems on our property of people shooting deer off the side of the roads out into our pastures and stuff. At night during the day it doesn't matter. There are outlaw hunters everywhere breaking the laws many different ways, just to kill a damn deer. It makes us all look bad as hunters period. No matter which way we like to hunt.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 5:22:07 PM
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Nhdeerchaser,
I think its exciting. Tell you a little story, I work in West Central Ga where dog hunting is not allowed. People at work would talk bad about dog hunting, but none of them had ever done it. So I invited one of the guys to come with me one Saturday and I would pay his guest fee and out of state license for one day. He agreed and came hunting with me. We made 8 drives that day. The first drive he saw 8 doe's. The 2nd drive he saw 2 more doe's and a small buck. On the very last drive of the day he missed a 9 pointer my brother ended up killing that scored 148. He is now a member of our hunting club, pays large amount of money for out of state license, and has a pack of dogs. He still loves to still hunt too, but he loves to dog hunt as well. Dog hunting is more than just going hunting. Its great social gathering. Especially if you have a campsite and ponds on your property like we do. Our fun begins early in the morning and doesn't stop to the fire goes out at night. I must admit it is nice having a lot of land though. It makes it a lot easier and probably the biggest reason we never get complaints. I have hunted in clubs with only a couple thousand acres and its hard to keep a handle on your dogs.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 6:06:34 PM
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Beezer my post wasn't in direct response to yours. I'm sorry if I didn't specify well enough. It is just my thought on the subject. I don't blame you for being mad. I wouldn't blame you for being more than mad. There isn't a whole lot of different kinds of hunting I have a problem with but I do when someone is being unsafe. Like most on this forum.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 8:51:15 PM
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Beezer
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Beezer, if something around my hunting club was happening like is happening to you I would be pissed off too. Once again you have one group doing things the wrong way making the people who do things the right way look bad to. I don't care how they are hunting, what is happening in your area is wrong. We have problems on our property of people shooting deer off the side of the roads out into our pastures and stuff. At night during the day it doesn't matter. There are outlaw hunters everywhere breaking the laws many different ways, just to kill a damn deer. It makes us all look bad as hunters period. No matter which way we like to hunt.
This isn't around my immediate area, I'd say it's pretty much more than half of those Lowcountry SC doghunters. Like I said, there are some who do it right, as you do, but it only takes a few to turn others off to the entire concept.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/13/2009 8:56:01 PM
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Beezer
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Beezer my post wasn't in direct response to yours. I'm sorry if I didn't specify well enough. It is just my thought on the subject. I don't blame you for being mad. I wouldn't blame you for being more than mad. There isn't a whole lot of different kinds of hunting I have a problem with but I do when someone is being unsafe. Like most on this forum.
I wasn't trying to beat on ya Smitty, apologies if it seemed like that. I was just making a point that people like JSides10 get a bad rep from those who pretty much don't care what others think. In our area, the only people you can get help from are the GWs and DNR but they have to pretty much catch someone in the act of breaking the law. As for anyone else other than DNR, it's such a "tradition" that any discussion of regulating gets shot down before an entire sentence gets out. It's hard to get something done with a "Good Ol' Boy" system when those setting the rules are also involved in the sport.
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RE: Deer hunting with dogs - 10/14/2009 2:11:39 PM
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I have strong beliefs and opinions, just like any other hunter, and even though I may agree or disagree with a hunting practice, if it's perfectly legal, I say run with it. As far as deer hunting with dogs, I'd personally never do it. Seems to take out the fun and enjoyment of just sitting in a tree, waiting for an undisturbed deer to come up...Watching them in their natural environment having them not know you are only a few yards away! To each their own....
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