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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/20/2009 9:22:00 PM
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JPH
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I am still not convinced it is a valid question.
If it is being asked in order to deepen the racial divisions that socoiety has placed in our way, then I would say that it is not valid. When we use the term "white-man's game", I tend to think that it could easily move us in that direction.
If it is being asked in order to challenge the sterotypes that the media has placed in front of us, then I think it is very valid. But if that is where we are going with this, then maybe we should have asked that instead of even entertaining the possibability that hunting is somehow the sole domain of white men.
If we are to discuss the role the media plays in creating unfair and unrealistic preceptions, I'm all in. If we are to simply leave the door open to further afirm ignorant ideas about race, then I have no time for it.
After reading your last post J'per, I went back and reread the original post with your comments in mind, and although I agree that the TITLE can be seen as bit provocative, the text of the post is not, IMO. In fact, it even spells out your own perspective about the media falsely portraying it.
"Is deer hunting primarily a White man activity these days? Is hunting an activity dominated by White people, particularly White men, or does the media just portray it that way?"
Yeah I understand. It looks as if the OP was headed that way, but I don't think he quite rounded that corner. I asked him to clarify so that he could take it in that direction if that is where he wanted it to go. Then it just kind of drug on.
I understand that people get busy, but if you are going to toss out a question like this, it might be a good idea to stick around.
Either way, looks like just about all of our posters agree, hunting is not limited by race or gender.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/20/2009 11:55:11 PM
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Sorry, I'm a little late to the thread.
It seems like a random thought and a decent idea for discussion. The original OP probably meant nothing by it.
Anyway, I have personally never seen an African American in the woods, but (at least in MN) there appears to be quite a few Hmung folks.
Just my simple observations.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/21/2009 1:09:21 AM
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Yeah I understand. It looks as if the OP was headed that way, but I don't think he quite rounded that corner. I asked him to clarify so that he could take it in that direction if that is where he wanted it to go. Then it just kind of drug on.
I understand that people get busy, but if you are going to toss out a question like this, it might be a good idea to stick around.
Either way, looks like just about all of our posters agree, hunting is not limited by race or gender.
Ohmygawd ... I can't believe you guys are still at it ... I can't fathom why any of us bothered to read this thread, and especially, bother to respond ... who cares?
When you're watching a basketball game, you don't ask yourself why there aren't white guys on some team ... or why there isn't a black guy on one of the teams during a hockey game ... who cares?
I was very young when I 1st heard someone making a joke about black people liking fried chicken & watermelon. I couldn't understand that since those were my favorite foods. To this day I don't understand that ... but who cares?
The point I'm trying to make here is this. This forum is supposed to be about Deer & other big game hunting. Certainly, we shouldn't be getting into every nut job philosophical question in the universe.
Now, had this thread been about "why is it that there are more brown deer, than white?" That at least would have some relevancy ... hmmm ... or for that matter, inasmuch as there are white deer out there ... why is it Woods Walker only shoots the brown ones??? 
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/21/2009 8:41:17 AM
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Not quite sure why that post ^ is in response to what I said.
I would remind you that this is on the "Off Topic" board.
mightyfofaad, do you only talk about deer in your hunting camp?
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/21/2009 9:08:49 AM
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mightyfofaad
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Not quite sure why that post ^ is in response to what I said.
I would remind you that this is on the "Off Topic" board.
mightyfofaad, do you only talk about deer in your hunting camp?
No, we talk about deer & another furry animal ... but if I tell what that is ... GOOSE will yell at me again.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/21/2009 9:27:59 AM
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I apologize to everyone who has posted and wondered why I haven't participated in the discussion I started. I'm in college full time, along with working full time and raising three kids, so sometimes I don't get on here for a few days.
The reason I posted this question is because one of my college classes I am in is a class about minorities in the United States. I live in a small town in central Wisconsin where we don't have many people other than white people, and racial issues don't come up often. However, I'm learning a lot about the racial issues and problems that many people do have every day. For a variety of reasons, many things are dominated by a specific race. Some of the others were mentioned in some of your responses, sports in particular.
To get back to why I posted the question, I posted it because from my little corner of the world, I see very few people of races besides white hunting. I could easily generalize then, from my experiences as well as the media, that it's mainly white people that hunt. A couple of posts mentioned they get funny looks because they are not white, but they hunt, and why? Why do people look at you funny because you're not white and you hunt? It's the way people are. Not all people, but it's a stereotype that's there, whether we like to talk about it or not. We are all hunters here, we are all people. I thought it was great that some of you have stories about connecting with perfect strangers on the grounds of being a hunter. Perhaps the question had no great validity for hunting or for whitetail deer, but its an issue that some of our fellow deer hunters deal with, and I was hoping that talking about it would just be one more way for us to connect as hunters. It's an issue that affects hunters, so I asked it.
Again, I apologize for being absent from the discussion for so long. It's frustrating when people do that. I was also not trying to create any kind of tension or division between anyone. The very opposite, in fact. I was hoping that anyone who does feel a division based only on race might find some support from the rest of us who don't give the funny looks to a hunter who is not white. I'm sure plenty of people who saw this thread will feel it's a topic better saved for another site or forum. If you feel that way, great, then don't read it, no one's holding a gun to your head. Personally, I appreciate the thoughts of everyone who did throw in their two cents.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 10/21/2009 10:05:34 AM
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I don't think its all that bad of a question and no, I don't think hunting is either a white nor mans game......I live in the deep south and lots of families here are not too far gone from subsistence hunting and farming (maybe less than 3 generations) . In fact,The only children living close to my grandfather when he was growing up in the teens of the last century, were black and he always told stories of them running rabbits and armadillos down and being able to "chunk" squirrels, He said one of their most prized possessions was some steel ball bearings they found when the first highways were paved up here (alot more accurate for throwing)(Grand always said he felt like he was cheating using a 22 short with iron sights when he hunted with them but they usually came home with just as many......one of those nieghbor kid's grand kids was in my hunting club for a time with me and a fine hunter. I know lots of black folks that hunt and even more that relish deer meat....Me & my brother still try to get a deer every year for our high school art teacher....have for almost 20 years now. As to the man part of that statement I can honestly say that My grandmother taught me to Still hunt and Stand hunt...My wife hunts and ...nuff said.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/3/2009 2:13:01 PM
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Do white men only hunt white geese?
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/7/2009 9:21:56 PM
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Hmmmm, to answer the question no it's not. In Texas we all hunt. In Texarkana where my inlaws live it's probably 70% black and EVERYONE hunts in Texarkana.
Just to thro this out there. There's nothing wrong with this question.
Ask a black man if he's proud to be black. He'll say yes every time. Ask a white man and half the time he won't answer out of fear of being called a racist and the other half of the time he'll look around before answering so he doesn't offend any near by people that might over hear.
Ever heard of the Miss African American Beauty Pagent? Yes...
Ever heard of the Miss Anglo American Beauty Pagent? Nope, me neither.
There are all Black college's but no all White college's.
Because of there were, theyed be concidered racist.
It makes me sick that because a man used the word white in a thread he's concidered a trouble maker or a racist.
White as well as black and brown and pink are all adj. that describe. They're not ment to be racist. My inlaws are black and my wife use to call them chocolate because she didn't know what would offend them. Black or African. They laughed all the way to the ground at her and said sweetie, "We are Black."
Get off this guys back because he asked a simple question.
And with all of this being said no I'm not a racist. Just a simplton.
Everyone here is born free and have control of their own actions. The paths they choose to lead their lives down Is what makes a man. Not what their parents or grand-parents taught them about their ancesters.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/7/2009 9:56:02 PM
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Hmmmm, to answer the question no it's not. In Texas we all hunt. In Texarkana where my inlaws live it's probably 70% black and EVERYONE hunts in Texarkana.
Just to thro this out there. There's nothing wrong with this question.
Ask a black man if he's proud to be black. He'll say yes every time. Ask a white man and half the time he won't answer out of fear of being called a racist and the other half of the time he'll look around before answering so he doesn't offend any near by people that might over hear.
Ever heard of the Miss African American Beauty Pagent? Yes...
Ever heard of the Miss Anglo American Beauty Pagent? Nope, me neither.
There are all Black college's but no all White college's.
Because of there were, theyed be concidered racist.
It makes me sick that because a man used the word white in a thread he's concidered a trouble maker or a racist.
White as well as black and brown and pink are all adj. that describe. They're not ment to be racist. My inlaws are black and my wife use to call them chocolate because she didn't know what would offend them. Black or African. They laughed all the way to the ground at her and said sweetie, "We are Black."
Get off this guys back because he asked a simple question.
And with all of this being said no I'm not a racist. Just a simplton.
Everyone here is born free and have control of their own actions. The paths they choose to lead their lives down Is what makes a man. Not what their parents or grand-parents taught them about their ancesters.
Yeah ... but what about the white geese? 
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/8/2009 7:36:00 PM
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I don't know, I've never hunted geese.... Must be a Black mans sport.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/14/2009 2:55:33 AM
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I don't know, I've never hunted geese.... Must be a Black mans sport.
I've been reading & reading these posts - and I'm still not sure whether this thread is 100% serious???
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/14/2009 2:22:07 PM
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It sure started out as serious. The thread author's context was is hunting a white man's game, or IS IT JUST PORTRAYED THIS WAY IN THE MEDIA.
This is as much about the media as it is about race.
If you arrived here from Jupiter, and the only exposure you had to hunting was via TV, OR even the print media (D&DH included), you'd have to believe that the only people that deer hunted were white males, and some women, but only young and attractive ones.
You'd also believe that most everyone kills a deer within 30 minutes of when their hunt started, and large antlered bucks were the norm and not the exception. You'd wonder what all the drama is about, because it's obviously easier and faster than going to the supermarket.
The way the media portrays it, deer hunting is most definatley a white man's game. That's a false image for sure, but it IS the only one they show.
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/14/2009 4:38:39 PM
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WW...Great summation...amen! 
Almost, but not quite. FINALLY -- photographic evidence!
Does anyone remember this? I believe it's from the 2002 season:
A caption in one magazine read like this:
Andrew Hargrove shot this rare melanistic buck in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, in 2002. The only white on the deer is the underside of the tail. Taxidermist Don Bennett currently is working on a full-body mount of the unique trophy.
So, as I said earlier, red and yellow, black and white, they are predators in His sight. Man's role in the ecosystem, regardless of race, is that of a predator.
I believe was reported in several magazines, and it spread like fire throughout the 'net. I'd almost bet that something about it was in D&DH, too. (Although not the subject of this thread, a quick Internet search turned up photos of several melanistic deer, both whitetails and mule deer.)
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RE: Is deer hunting a White-man's game? - 11/19/2009 3:58:19 PM
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It sure started out as serious. The thread author's context was is hunting a white man's game, or IS IT JUST PORTRAYED THIS WAY IN THE MEDIA.
This is as much about the media as it is about race.
If you arrived here from Jupiter, and the only exposure you had to hunting was via TV, OR even the print media (D&DH included), you'd have to believe that the only people that deer hunted were white males, and some women, but only young and attractive ones.
You'd also believe that most everyone kills a deer within 30 minutes of when their hunt started, and large antlered bucks were the norm and not the exception. You'd wonder what all the drama is about, because it's obviously easier and faster than going to the supermarket.
The way the media portrays it, deer hunting is most definatley a white man's game. That's a false image for sure, but it IS the only one they show.
I think it is a good question because you'd get this impression not only if you just arrived from Jupiter, but also if you never hunted before, and were not brought up in a rural area but decided you'd like to try hunting.
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